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<h1>The W3C JSON-LD Community Group</h1>
<h3><a href="../">Go Back</a></h3>
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<p><img src="https://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home" alt="W3C Logo" /></p><div><div><div class="container"><div class="row"><div class="col-md-8 col-md-offset-2"><h1>JSON-LD CG</h1>
<h2>Minutes for 2024-06-12</h2>
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<dt>Present</dt><dd><a href="http://greggkellogg.net/home/about/">Gregg Kellogg</a>, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/macted">Ted Thibodeau Jr.</a>, <a href="https://json-ld.org/">Anatoly Scherbakov</a>, <a href="https://json-ld.org/">Niklas Lindström</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung/">Benjamin Young</a>, <a href="http://dil.lehn.org/">David I. Lehn</a>, <a href="https://json-ld.org/">Pierre-Antoine Champin</a></dd>
<dt>Chair(s)</dt><dd>Gregg Kellogg</dd>
<dt>Scribe(s)</dt><dd>Gregg Kellogg</dd>
<dt>Agenda</dt><dd><a href="https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08563546-30fd-497a-ac16-77f96e96e8c0/20240612T120000/">https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08563546-30fd-497a-ac16-77f96e96e8c0/20240612T120000/</a></dd>
<dt>Topics</dt><dd><ol><li><a href="#topic-1">Announcements and Introductions</a><li><a href="#topic-2">YAML-LD</a><li><a href="#topic-3">CBOR-LD</a><li><a href="#topic-4">JSON-LD Issue Discussion</a><li><a href="#topic-5">Open Discussion</a><li><a href="#topic-6">Next call</a></ol></dd></dl>
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<div class="information">Gregg Kellogg is scribing.</div>
<h1 onmouseout="$('#link-topic-1').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-topic-1').show()" id="topic-1" class="topic">
Topic: Announcements and Introductions
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-1').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-1').show()" id="1" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: Tentative TPAC schedule at <a href="https://www.w3.org/2024/05/tpac2024-schedule-20240523.html#g49174">https://www.w3.org/2024/05/tpac2024-schedule-20240523.html#g49174</a> <a id="link-1" style="display:none;" href="#1">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-2').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-2').show()" id="2" class="comment"><span class="name">Benjamin Young</span>: There is a requested schedule shift, as many participants are in Japan and late friday would be early saturday, but that creates a conflict with the CG time on Thursday. <a id="link-2" style="display:none;" href="#2">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... WoT would like the 14:30 slot on Thursday, which is a joint meeting with JSON-LD WG/CG.</div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... WoT is a major user of JSON-LD, so it will be important for us to sync up with them.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-3').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-3').show()" id="3" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I'm in favor of consolodating with the Thursday afternoon slot. <a id="link-3" style="display:none;" href="#3">✪</a></div>
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Topic: YAML-LD
<a id="link-topic-2" style="display:none;" href="#topic-2">✪</a></h1>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-4').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-4').show()" id="4" class="comment"><span class="name">Anatoly Scherbakov</span>: I have some PRs with tests that have been merged. I have some more test issues to work through. <a id="link-4" style="display:none;" href="#4">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... I may need some changes to PyLd to address some issues in my implementation.</div>
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Topic: CBOR-LD
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Topic: JSON-LD Issue Discussion
<a id="link-topic-4" style="display:none;" href="#topic-4">✪</a></h1>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-5').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-5').show()" id="5" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/84">https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/84</a> <a id="link-5" style="display:none;" href="#5">✪</a></div>
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Subtopic: <a href="https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425">https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425</a>
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-6').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-6').show()" id="6" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425">https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425</a> -> Issue 425 how to "retype" rdf:JSON to geo:geoJSONLiteral? (by VladimirAlexiev) <a id="link-6" style="display:none;" href="#6">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-7').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-7').show()" id="7" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: Using `@container` might work. <a id="link-7" style="display:none;" href="#7">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-8').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-8').show()" id="8" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: Is this round-trippable? <a id="link-8" style="display:none;" href="#8">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-9').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-9').show()" id="9" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I believe so, but that needs to be figured out. <a id="link-9" style="display:none;" href="#9">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-10').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-10').show()" id="10" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: The JSON Literal already has problems with arrays. <a id="link-10" style="display:none;" href="#10">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-11').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-11').show()" id="11" class="comment"><span class="name">Niklas Lindström</span>: "Stuff": [{"@json": [1, 2, 3], "@type": "cdt:List"}] -- might work <a id="link-11" style="display:none;" href="#11">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-12').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-12').show()" id="12" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: Consider w3c/json-ld-api#599 <a id="link-12" style="display:none;" href="#12">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-13').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-13').show()" id="13" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/599">https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/599</a> -> CLOSED Issue 599 Test new GH action (by pchampin) <a id="link-13" style="display:none;" href="#13">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-14').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-14').show()" id="14" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: Consider w3c/json-ld-api#559 <a id="link-14" style="display:none;" href="#14">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-15').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-15').show()" id="15" class="comment"><span class="name">Niklas Lindström</span>: (IIRC "@container": ["@language", "@set"] is a thing already; so e.g. "@container": ["@set", "@json"] would work too I guess.) <a id="link-15" style="display:none;" href="#15">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-16').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-16').show()" id="16" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/pull/559">https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/pull/559</a> -> Pull Request 559 Add JSON literal tests. (by davidlehn) <a id="link-16" style="display:none;" href="#16">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-17').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-17').show()" id="17" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: And w3c/json-ld-api#560 <a id="link-17" style="display:none;" href="#17">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-18').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-18').show()" id="18" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/560">https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/560</a> -> Issue 560 Various `@json` processing issues. (by davidlehn) [test:missing-coverage] [ErratumRaised] <a id="link-18" style="display:none;" href="#18">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-19').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-19').show()" id="19" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: This is where I was trying to figure out these issues for `@json`. <a id="link-19" style="display:none;" href="#19">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... It may be that the solutions can be treated similarly.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-20').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-20').show()" id="20" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I think we can handle this through scope allowed through the re-charter. <a id="link-20" style="display:none;" href="#20">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-21').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-21').show()" id="21" class="comment"><span class="name">Niklas Lindström</span>: I need to look more at the details. <a id="link-21" style="display:none;" href="#21">✪</a></div>
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Topic: Open Discussion
<a id="link-topic-5" style="display:none;" href="#topic-5">✪</a></h1>
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Subtopic: JSON-LD-star
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-22').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-22').show()" id="22" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I think we can start working on JSON-LD-star issues again. <a id="link-22" style="display:none;" href="#22">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-23').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-23').show()" id="23" class="comment"><span class="name">Niklas Lindström</span>: +1 <a id="link-23" style="display:none;" href="#23">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-24').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-24').show()" id="24" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: Do you see the specs merging? <a id="link-24" style="display:none;" href="#24">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-25').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-25').show()" id="25" class="comment"><span class="name">Niklas Lindström</span>: Yes. Some form of RDF-star is intended to be part of RDF 1.2, and then JSON-LD 1.2 would follow. <a id="link-25" style="display:none;" href="#25">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-26').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-26').show()" id="26" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: It's part of RDF 1.2, so should be part of JSON-LD 1.2 as well. <a id="link-26" style="display:none;" href="#26">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-27').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-27').show()" id="27" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I'd like to see some updates to RDC that consider RDF-star. <a id="link-27" style="display:none;" href="#27">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-28').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-28').show()" id="28" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: Does this flow into SHEX and SHACL and so forth? <a id="link-28" style="display:none;" href="#28">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-29').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-29').show()" id="29" class="comment"><span class="name">Ted Thibodeau Jr.</span>: Those projects are independent, but the expectation is that they will evolve. <a id="link-29" style="display:none;" href="#29">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... The new SPARQL group could pick up ShEx.</div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... Rather, the SHACL group could adopt ShEx.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-30').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-30').show()" id="30" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: The lack of support for datasets is an issue. <a id="link-30" style="display:none;" href="#30">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... I'd rather work with SHACL than JSON Schema.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-31').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-31').show()" id="31" class="comment"><span class="name">Ted Thibodeau Jr.</span>: If you're working with JSON, then JSON Schema is a good way to go. <a id="link-31" style="display:none;" href="#31">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-32').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-32').show()" id="32" class="comment"><span class="name">Ted Thibodeau Jr.</span>: Note that SHACL isn't about semantics, it's a syntactical verifier. It's not like RDB referential integrity. <a id="link-32" style="display:none;" href="#32">✪</a></div>
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Subtopic: charter renewal
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-33').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-33').show()" id="33" class="comment"><span class="name">Pierre-Antoine Champin</span>: No recent progress. <a id="link-33" style="display:none;" href="#33">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... We should be able to submit our request soon.</div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... There were some comments by bigbluehat about scope and adding a new document.</div>
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Subtopic: Website
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-34').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-34').show()" id="34" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: We're looking to host on Cloudflare; I wasn't sure how to deal with .htaccess. <a id="link-34" style="display:none;" href="#34">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... How much do we need to continue to support?</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-35').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-35').show()" id="35" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: CORS headers? <a id="link-35" style="display:none;" href="#35">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-36').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-36').show()" id="36" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: I'm not sure what we have in there is live or not. <a id="link-36" style="display:none;" href="#36">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... There is a temporary website; it's just .htaccess stuff that is a problem.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-37').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-37').show()" id="37" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: <a href="https://json-ld-org.pages.dev/">https://json-ld-org.pages.dev/</a> <a id="link-37" style="display:none;" href="#37">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-38').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-38').show()" id="38" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: Maybe look at server logs to see what features are used. <a id="link-38" style="display:none;" href="#38">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-39').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-39').show()" id="39" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: I would say move it over, and we'll deal with issues that come up. <a id="link-39" style="display:none;" href="#39">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-40').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-40').show()" id="40" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: <a href="https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778">https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778</a> <a id="link-40" style="display:none;" href="#40">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-41').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-41').show()" id="41" class="information"><a href="https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778">https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778</a> -> Issue 778 RFCs (by davidlehn) <a id="link-41" style="display:none;" href="#41">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-42').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-42').show()" id="42" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: I need to write up some stuff about RFC; there are things DB is doing that should be standardized. <a id="link-42" style="display:none;" href="#42">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... For example, safe mode.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-43').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-43').show()" id="43" class="comment"><span class="name">Benjamin Young</span>: I think filing issues against an existing spec is ideal, but may not be clear what this should be. <a id="link-43" style="display:none;" href="#43">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... Is the json-ld.org issues repo the right place, or one of the specs.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-44').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-44').show()" id="44" class="comment"><span class="name">David I. Lehn</span>: I have an idea for this, but need to write up a proposal. <a id="link-44" style="display:none;" href="#44">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-45').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-45').show()" id="45" class="comment"><span class="name">Gregg Kellogg</span>: Perhaps discuss next time? <a id="link-45" style="display:none;" href="#45">✪</a></div>
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Topic: Next call
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<div onmouseout="$('#link-46').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-46').show()" id="46" class="information">Next call June 26. <a id="link-46" style="display:none;" href="#46">✪</a></div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-47').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-47').show()" id="47" class="comment"><span class="name">Benjamin Young</span>: We have conflicts with VCWG; our joint meeting with RDF-star conflicts with VCWG. <a id="link-47" style="display:none;" href="#47">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... If we try to move things around we may run into problems.</div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... We may need to work with RDF-star to move that particular meeting time.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-48').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-48').show()" id="48" class="comment"><span class="name">Pierre-Antoine Champin</span>: RDF-star meets on Tuesday and Thursday mornings. If we move to Tuesday morning, we'd conflict with DID, but that might not be a problem. <a id="link-48" style="display:none;" href="#48">✪</a></div>
<div class="comment-continuation">... Tuesday is not critical; I can ask Alex to make the change. I don't think the RDF-star chairs have a preference.</div>
<div onmouseout="$('#link-49').hide()" onmouseover="$('#link-49').show()" id="49" class="comment"><span class="name">Benjamin Young</span>: There's also the federated identity WG which has conflicts. <a id="link-49" style="display:none;" href="#49">✪</a></div>
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