Broken Gates "out-of-play"

[turmoilbyrd]

Passages states

Gates with Passage tokens are out of play—pieces that would be placed on them are placed in the Twisted Passage instead.

However, this is technically wrong. In a previous ruling (which is currently not visible due to a bug #136), it was ruled that Gatekeepers would still put a ship into a gate with a Passage token (places it in the Twisted Passage instead).

This is distinctly different from what happens in base game with Path tokens. In base game, one would just not place the ship in a gate with a Path token.

I'd say this ambiguous nature of the broken gates was what led to a few other confusion, e.g.

• Predictive Sensors + Song of the Banner #135
• [Arcs] [FAQ ready] Force Beams interaction with twisted passage #69
• [Arcs] Gate Wraith Catapult moves #29

[yggdrasilsYeoman]

Discussed on Discord but adding the thoughts here in case they are helpful: Personally I do think it’s clear, as long as I understand the rationale correctly. It seems to me “would be placed” means “would normally be placed” or “would otherwise be placed if the gate were in play.” The “out of play” status is the only thing giving any meaning to “would be placed.” Thus, the piece that would normally be placed from Gatekeepers if the gate were in play gets rerouted. Meanwhile there is no separate rule rerouting pieces that would be placed where a path token exists.

If FAQ or errata (not needed in my view) clarify this reasoning or add this wording, that would seem to close the loop.

[turmoilbyrd]

But Out-of-play was also defined as

https://arcs.seiyria.com/#23.1.16-out-of-play

Cannot be interacted with

It's intuitive to think that includes "cannot place a piece in it".

[yggdrasilsYeoman]

But Out-of-play was also defined as

https://arcs.seiyria.com/#23.1.16-out-of-play

Cannot be interacted with

It's intuitive to think that includes "cannot place a piece in it".

Indeed, but you are not interacting with/placing a piece on it. You are being told what to do in situations where you would place a piece on it, normally, i.e. if it were still in play.