Cyborgs should have access to the crew list

[walksanatora]

it makes no sense that a cyborg can only read your ID card to determine crew status. cyborgs should have access to the crew manifesst for checking names. the ammount of times I have seen borgs witness a murder cause a sec/captain/etc takes someone's ID and kills them is stupid (otoh willingly being borged and having them take my ID so the scientist can gib me is nice). borgs are not stupid ofc this may also fall under failing to follow silicon laws.

[BramvanZijp]

it makes no sense that a cyborg can only read your ID card to determine crew status. cyborgs should have access to the crew manifesst for checking names. the ammount of times I have seen borgs witness a murder cause a sec/captain/etc takes someone's ID and kills them is stupid (otoh willingly being borged and having them take my ID so the scientist can gib me is nice). borgs are not stupid ofc this may also fall under failing to follow silicon laws.

This goes 2 ways, and I worry silicons, especially the AI, will use this as an excuse to validhunt ninjas, loneops, etc for not being on the manifest and thus not being crew, which is already a big issue.

If you think losing crew status so easily is truly a problem, a better solution would be to make a rule stating if you have previously seen somebody with a crew ID, and now suddenly somebody who is clearly still that person no longer has that ID, they still count as crew. Also, I am pretty sure borgs can ignore harm if the “victim” is okay with it, wether that be consenting to being borged or threatening to stab yourself if the ai doesnt open caps room.

[walksanatora]

yes but in the case of nukies putting on the ID would make them use a name on the crew manifest. and are therefore no longer valids. same could apply to ninjas since how ID works is if your face is completely covered it uses your ID's name iirc.

[walksanatora]

but under current borg rules+rulings your ID determines crewmaship. and that determines your validity. if I wanted. right now I could start electrocuting and bolting in everyone who doesn't have a ID.

[ArtisticRoomba]

AIs and Silicons have this intentional double edged sword design philosophy behind them. They're supposed to be really good at their job and be a real treat to have, but they can also inflict great conflict when they're subverted, and that type of chaos is a classic. All in all, there's expected friction when it comes to silicons.

There is one standing issue with them, though, is that many people have difficulty interpreting "who is crew". I don't think this suggested feature will help this desired clarity. This is probably something that should be talked about in a design document.

Also, I believe the AI has access to the manifest through the records console. Surprised nobody's tried to tie crew status to that yet, from what I've seen.